“All of the other planets out there are just complete garbage. The Earth is the only good place.” ~Kate Marvel
The climate crisis can leave many of us feeling hopeless. Overwhelmed by emotion, some feel like it’s pointless to fight it, while others can’t even bear to think about it at all. But there are so many reasons to be optimistic about what we can achieve, together.
Renowned climate scientists Kate Marvel and Tim Lenton are here to help us figure out how to feel about the climate crisis – and why fixing the problem is within our reach. Both have new books out that hope to reframe the way we think about the issue.
Kate’s book Human Nature grapples with the complicated emotions that the climate crisis evokes, from anger to hope and love – and explores how we can harness each of them to fight for a better future.
Tim’s book Positive Tipping Points looks at the possibility that we may cause irreversible damage to the Earth’s climate system, from Amazon dieback to ice sheet collapse. But as the name suggests, he also examines the opportunities in leveraging global action against climate change to create ‘positive tipping points’.
Chapters:
(0:00) Intro
(01:26) Why Tim and Kate have dedicated their lives to climate science
(3:53) Exploring Kate’s book Human Nature – starting with anger
(6:33) How Tim channels his climate anger
(10:16) Processing the 9 emotions of Kate’s book
(13:10) What are negative tipping points?
(15:33) How to use positive tipping points
(21:13) Where can we find hope for change right now?
(23:16) The positive emotions that inspire climate action
(26:50) Kate’s process of writing
(29:52) Why non-violent campaigns are so effective
(35:19) Have we seen any of these positive tipping points yet?
(39:31) How Americans really feel about climate change
(40:46) Kate and Tim’s dream outcomes for their books
Hosted by Rowan Hooper and Madeleine Cuff, with guests Kate Marvel and Tim Lenton.
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